I am puzzled by the para below; especially the firtst and last last sentances, which appear to contradict one another: I had thought that Jerome undertook a "revision" of selected books of the Old Latin OT (which do not survive) before he left Rome; but that his "translation" of the OT - undertaken in Betlehem, was a totally new project (source Encyclopedia Judaica). Resources I have read generally say it was because the language was "not Greek" which had been considered the ecclesiastical language at the time. I propose restoring the adjective "critical" to the noun "apparatus", which is a word that hardly makes sense without it. Furthermore, the Vulgate was not in a standard edition, with both Jerome's translation of the LXX Psalms and the Hebrew form of the Psalms being interchanged in various manuscripts of the middle ages. He lived from AD 347-419and pursued a monastic lifestyle. The Vulgate is a Latin translation of the Bible, written in the late 4th century and start of the 5th, largely by the Dalmatia-born Eusebius Hieronymus (St. Jerome), who had been taught at Rome by the rhetoric teacher Aelius Donatus, otherwise known for advocating punctuation and as the author of a grammar and biography of Virgil. It fell open to Isaiah 64:1/2 (alternate numerations). On the left, you have a critical edition of an ancient Greek text. Popular Dates Used in Archeology An Analysis of Assumptions Based on the Septuagint by Bob Pickle. One of the responders answered that the question of whether the translation can be considered simpler or not cannot be answered definitively, but this wasn't the question that was asked. It may even be worthy of being considered a commentary on the books. Jerome actually used the term to refer to the Latin translations that came The Septuagint text is the text that the Church has preserved. The Septuagint was around the 2nd century BC while the Vulgate was from the 4th century AD so definitely the LXX, however the main benefit of the Vulgate in my opinion would be the inclusion of 4 Esdras which is basically the jewish Book of Revelation but goes unacknowledged to this day. ( Log Out / Back around 1990, the present author heard a lecturer on archeology say that since the Septuagint (LXX) had an extra 1000 years in the genealogical list found in Genesis 11, he felt it permissible to date civilizations 1000 years earlier than what the Masoretic text would allow. I would have thought it was not POV that the Clementine Vulgate presents a protocanon, a deutrocanon, and a residual apocrypha - and that the wider ecclesiastical status of these books should not be an issue for an article about the Vulgate. Can someone characterize Jerome's Latin more informatively than this blurb? The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Septuagint contain the books that Luther rejected. The fact that God's name is never mentioned is significant and shows that even though we can't always see Him, He's always working in the affairs of His people. Rocinante9 2006-08-17, I agree. The information in it did not cite sources, and frankly smells like original research. You are correct. Jerome's flights of purple writing! “Ferebatur” along with the sense of “to rush” also has the sense of “to ravage,” or “to attack.” This sense of violence is even more enhanced in the Greek επεφερετο, as it consists of επι + φερω (of a similar derivation as Latin fero), tweaking the word slightly and causing to it have a greater sense of urgency and violent interaction with its object than just φερω alone. I'm removing the clause for now because I can't think of good way to make the original editor's point: The clause implied that Jerome was in favor of removing the Apocrypha from the Vulgate. Take its New Testament: open the Novum testamentum graece et latine. That the Septuagint is the most authoritative text in the Orthodox Church is something that is confirmed in just about any Orthodox catechetical text you could consult. The Latin Vulgate is an important manuscript because it reflects the Hebrew Masoretic Text of the Old Testament (Tanakh) in 383 AD. The Nova Vulgata New Testament is a minor revision of earlier critical editions, namely the Benedictine which in turn is dependent on Wordworth and White. Vulgate, Latin Bible used by the Roman Catholic Church, primarily translated by St. Jerome. For ease of reading, the two passages that I’m referring to are repeated below: Ἐν ἀρχῂ ἐποίησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν οὐρανὸν καὶ τὴν γῆν. The Aland edition is now in the catholic section. As a Jew, I was barely aware before of greatly different versions in the Christian Bible. And of course, the Old Testment of the Greek Church has always been the LXX - itself directly translated from the Hebrew before the Christian era. TomHennell 02:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC). A certain tension is preserved by the words επανω and super, that prevents us from saying that the spirit was somehow interacting directly with the water. The earth, however, was void and empty and darkness was over the form of the abyss, and the spirit of God was borne over the waters. are they even "Silver age"? καὶ ἐγένετο ὡς ἀπῆλθον ἀπ᾽ αὐτῶν εἰς τὸν οὐρανὸν οἱ ἄγγελοι, οἱ ποιμένες ἐλάλουν πρὸς ἀλλήλους, Διέλθωμεν δὴ ἕως Βηθλέεμ καὶ ἴδωμεν τὸ ῥῆμα τοῦτο τὸ γεγονὸς ὃ ὁ κύριος ἐγνώρισεν ἡμῖν. Don't get me wrong — it's fine to talk about attempting to reconstruct Jerome's original. And any description of any edition (NTL included) of any part of the Nova Vulgata as either a critical edition of a Latin text or as "the Vulgate" is also in manifest error. They were "excised" because, simply, they never belonged there in the first place. They might be based on the Vulgate using the LXX and the MT for purposes of comparison (e.g., to decide between disputed renderings), but the Vulgate was the base text used by most Western Catholics. I'm not sure what the editors were attempting to reconstruct, a majority 6th century Italian text? Thanks to Prof. Joshua Scodel for his help on this issue. It served as the masterpiece of St. Jerome, as per the recommendations of the Pope, Damasus the First, during the year 382 AD where it is listed on the Bible Timeline Chart.He was assigned to revise the Vetus Latina or the Old Latin translations. Wareh 00:48, 26 January 2007 (UTC), I've removed the following text from the article. It is no surprise then, that the Vulgate faithfully translated the shorter chronological numbers in the Hebrew text that had been corrupted and changed in 160 AD at Zippori. But a critical edition of a Latin text would not "correct" the old Latin texts in this way. a facie tua gentes turbentur. Many textual corruptions, additions, omissions, or transpositions must have crept into the Hebrew text between the third and second centuri… 3. The Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft may have sown some of this confusion when they printed little rows of variants at the bottom of pages. LXX Biblical Timeline – Bible Research ToolsThis Biblical Timeline was created using passages from the Brenton’s 1851 Septuagint (LXX) [1]. 152 views. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. In the beginning God created heaven and earth. The Septuagint added 100 years to the birthdates of the first five patriarchs versus the dates which appear in the Masoretic and Samaritan texts. BtW, the influence of the Vulgate, everywhere read aloud in churches, in coarsening Late Latin is an aspect of the Vulgate that hasn't been touched upon here. 384 AD: Vulgate by Jerome: 4114 AD Latin translation of Hebrew. The most prevalent meaning for “inanis” is “empty, void” while the most prevalent for αορατος, its correlate is “unseen, invisible, and obscure.” It should be appreciated that the difference between a world that is empty (whatever “void” means) and a world that is “unseen” and “invisible” is very large. I am currently an undergraduate at the University of Chicago studying Classics (Greek and Latin) and NELC (Hittite). Re different versions of the Vulgate produced by Jerome, I believe that this actually refers to different versions of the Psalter, and not the Vulgate as a whole. But he also called them scriptures, in the very same prologues. Can anyone give me an example of how the Nova Vulgata's spelling is more classical than the Clementina's? Strictly speaking, of the texts you mention only the Peshitta and Vulgate are truly "Bibles" (in the traditional sense). But word α and word x correspond to the same Hebrew word — given that this is the case, I think it defensible, if one wants to get as close as possible to the original meaning of the Hebrew text, to translate the less common meanings for α and x (meanings γ and z) over the more common (β and y), if and only if you assume a decent amount of skill on behalf of both of the translators. When Jerome was creating the Latin Vulgate in the late 300’s, St. Augustine warned him to use the Septuagint, as it was the version of Scripture that Jesus and the Apostles used. ἡ δὲ γῆ ἦν ἀόρατος καὶ ἀκατασκευστος, καὶ σκότος ἐπάνω τῆς ἀβύσσου, καὶ πνεῦμα θεοῦ ἐπεφέρετο ἐπάνω τοῦ ὕδατος. So is the benedictine edition dispite the fact that it was never "official" (whatever that means) and was most definitely a critical edition. I have just now literally opened my Stuttgart Vulgate at random. But it's out of place to imply that it was perfect in any sense. 5. If I translate along the commonalities: say word x means y much more commonly than it means z, and a word α means β much more often than it means γ. Perhaps I am missing something. The only variant in the Stuttgart's apparatus is atque for aquae. Keep in mind that, This page was last edited on 17 October 2020, at 17:14. I picked this example at random, and I don't have time to produce more, but I can guarantee you many more results if you look at texts whose Hebrew originals were as difficult for Jerome as Isaiah. My question was more concerned with the issue of what we are saying Jerome did (or perhaps claims he had done, as telling the unvarnished truth was not one of his dominant qualities). Those are our first two levels of meaning that can be taken from a comparative analysis: the translators intent becomes manifest, and through our knowledge of that intent, some light is shed on the Hebrew text behind both translations. It is a minor revision of 70 of the 76 books of the Clementine vulgate, following the Benedictine critical edition (which is also the basis for most of the Stuttgart Old Testament). Is Jerome’s Latin Vulgate, which is the official Bible of the Church, based on the Masoretic Text? Septuagint (LXX) text vs. Masoretic (MT) text Old Testament – know your Bible! I'd say its most extreme departure in most of the text is its divergence from the punctuation of the Clementine, which is not something that most people care much about, and at any rate earlier editions also diverged in punctuation. Saint Jerome was a translator and was in no position to canonize the books of the bible. Either my Latin is so much inferior to my Greek that I can’t see the richness in the Latin text, or the Greek is simply more vivid here. The article says correctly of the NTL (and I didn't put it in there), "The text is a reprinting of the New Testament of the Nova Vulgata." Rwflammang 19:12, 12 September 2006 (UTC), I have removed the bizarre misstatement that the Vulgate was the first Christian Bible to use an Old Testament text translated from the Hebrew. Read the additions to Daniel, for example, or the additions to Esther. To this end, comparisons with other translations, especially the King James Version, is usually included with commentary as to how they could be misleading or why they should be understood (in light of the original text) in some other way. The very reason for these translations is that there existed an audience familiar with Greek and Latin, but not with Hebrew. So here are the two versions: aquam ebullire facit ignis, Perusing the essay does not make me confident that it is an accurate source. I disagree with your characterization of the Nova Vulgata Editio as a new version. 400 AD: Augustine: believed both 5554 BC and 4114 BC were inspired. I'm sure the people who wrote the 20th-century Latin I've just quoted are under no illusion that they're printing Latin words authored by Jerome or anyone else from the pre-20th-century history of Latin literature. I went ahead and made the change 8 March 2006. Doops 04:55, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC). Rather the spirit, in this text is already portrayed as going to work in creation, “ravaging” “rushing at,” “storming,” from the very beginning. In the beginning God created heaven and the earth, The earth was unseen [invisible] and unwrought, and darkness was over the abyss, and breath of God bore down upon the water. 2) The psalms are rather more extensively changed than most of the rest of the text, but are still quite similar to the psalters of older editions. 384 AD: Vulgate by Jerome: 4114 AD Latin translation of Hebrew. Jerome knew that the Jewish scribes had never considered these books to be part of their canon of Scripture, and for that reason he put them in separate sections. Without prejudice to the discussions above, I have proposed an introductory text that clarifies for the uninformed user the need to be aware that three texts circulate widely with the ascription of "Vulgate" Please amend, move or delete if you think this does not help. If we are to say that the Bible has been inspired, we need to know what it contains. It wasn't until 1590 that a standard form of the Vulgate was created, which is known as the Sixtine Vulgate. Rwflammang 14:53, 1 July 2006 (UTC), The source for these inconsistent data seems to be [1], which is a polemical essay directed against the Nova Vulgata. 2. I want to read with the eyes of a Hellenized Roman, and the eyes of a Roman proper — with the Eyes of the East and the Eyes of the West. apparently the vulgates attacked the septuagint over a land formation known as the mount of heavenly odors *this is an english translation there is no word in english for this mountain. 5. (Then, of course, this became ironically fossilized until the 20th century in the Catholic church.) The Septuagint and Vulgate predate the Masoretic Text by 1300 and 600 years respectively. No one who has compared the Nova Vulgata of the prophets, for example, to the Vulgate could make this statement. regards TomHennell 18:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC), Last week, the order of the editions was changed from a roughly chronological one to one that was split primariy into Catholic editions and critical editions. However, in terms of sheer influence and even reverance by its readers, only the KJV measures up to the Vulgate's original paradigm. The two words above discussed though, do carry much more meaning and immediate activity than is expressed in the traditional rendering. Although his claim to fame is the translation of the Bible into Latin, Jerome was also known for having a problem with anger. It seems to align more closely with the Masoretic Text, rather than the Septuagint. But that is most emphatically not the case here. TomHennell 15:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC). ἡ δὲ γῆ ἦν ἀόρατος καὶ ἀκατασκευστος, καὶ σκότος ἐπάνω τῆς ἀβύσσου, καὶ πνεῦμα θεοῦ ἐπεφέρετο ἐπάνω τοῦ ὕδατος. The Latin Vulgate follows the Greek enumeration as well and, traditionally, Roman Catholic Bibles used … This page, however, is intended to provide a brief history and description of only the versions covered in the accompanying tables: the Authorized Version (the basis of the NAF's names), the Hebrew text, the Septuagint, the Greek New Testament, the Latin Vulgate and the Douai-Rheims. Not everyone considers these books canonical. Many thanks for the clarification of the terminology - though I would hope that most of that could be put off into another Wiki article, in the belief that point should not be at issue here. --Wetman 20:18, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC). --Mcorazao 21:21, 9 May 2007 (UTC), Eccl1212 has changed the ISBN of the Stuttgart vulgate from (.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,.mw-parser-output .citation .cs1-lock-free a{background:linear-gradient(transparent,transparent),url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,.mw-parser-output .citation .cs1-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .citation .cs1-lock-registration a{background:linear-gradient(transparent,transparent),url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,.mw-parser-output .citation .cs1-lock-subscription a{background:linear-gradient(transparent,transparent),url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-subscription,.mw-parser-output .cs1-registration{color:#555}.mw-parser-output .cs1-subscription span,.mw-parser-output .cs1-registration span{border-bottom:1px dotted;cursor:help}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:linear-gradient(transparent,transparent),url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output code.cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;font-size:100%}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{font-size:100%}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#33aa33;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left,.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-wl-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right,.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-wl-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}ISBN 3-438-05303-9) to (ISBN 1598561782). He did not consider canonical to be a synonym for scriptural. Rwflammang 16:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC), Iarann (talk) 07:01, 25 January 2008 (UTC), Relation of Nova Vulgata (and Novum testamentum latine) to Vulgate. Or will the Wikipedia nuns crack our knuckles with the ruler for daring? But I do object to your characterization of the NTL as non-critical. a. Jews today believe that Shem is Melchizedek because the Masoretic chronology has Shem living down past the birth of Jacob. [Cpt|Kirk 11:30, 23 March 2006 (UTC)], The article states that "The main critical source for the Stuttgart Vulgate is Codex Amiatinus[...]" This puzzles me, as the Stuttgart critical apparatus refers to dozens of manuscripts as well as to several editions, with no one single source, it seems to me, clearly standing apart from the others. I was under the impression that the Douay-Rheims Bible is the closest English translation to the Vulgate? Test case for accuracy of LXX vs. Masoretic: Shem as Melchizedek. The apocryphal additions to Esther, on the other hand, start right out by mentioning God and explaining exactly how He was at work. And the Nova Vulgata is a 20th-century pastiche & does not pretend to reconstruct anything earlier in its words (as opposed to in its meanings where it, like all other 20th-c. translations, claims to represent the Hebrew & Greek original with accuracy). The most widely accepted view today is that the Septuagint provides a reasonably accurate record of an early Hebrew textual variant that differed from the ancestor of the Masoretic text as well as those of the Latin Vulgate, where both of the latter seem to have a more similar textual heritage. Augustine's Discussion of the Septuagint in his City of God. The word deuterocanonical was not coined till the 16th century, so this statement is anachronistic at best, and potentially POV at worst. A perfect equivalent would be a copy of the NRSV that collates against the RSV in an apparatus; by the logic you have offered here, such a text would be "a revised, critical edition of the RSV." A third level of meaning however, also must be appreciated. I just can't tell what they were after. If the article were discussing the Ethiopic Bible, then the list of protocanon, deuterocanon and apocrypha would look very different - but it isn't. Comparison of Enumeration of the Psalms in the Book of Divine Worship and in the Vulgate The numbering assigned to the 150 Psalms in the Book of Divine Worship is based on the standard Hebrew text (the Masoretic Text ); it is a system being increasingly used by Roman Catholics , at least for English translations of the Psalter. Strictly speaking, of the texts you mention only the Peshitta and Vulgate are truly "Bibles" (in the traditional sense). 2. Since it is likely, in the cases of the Vulgate and Septuagint, that the authors were very educated and probably meant the same thing, but were forced by the exigencies of their languages to choose certain words with various meanings, a concord of the definitions of two of these words probably sheds some light on the translators intention, and if he was a good translator, what the Hebrew actually says. ( Log Out / they have been at war for as long as I can view my data banks. I'm still awaiting an example of where the Nova's spelling deviates from the Clementina's. septuagint is from the planet sepultra and vulgates are from vagrea you don't wanna mix the two bad bad energy. The sources of the many differences between the Septuagint, the Latin Vulgate and the Masoretic text have long been discussed by scholars. Another interesting feature show up in our next pairing: vacua, translating as “empty, void, unpeopled,” with ακατασκευαστος, which translates: “not properly prepared, unwrought, unformed.” Thankfully, these definitions are parallel, and not opposing. The Latin Vulgate is an important manuscript because it reflects the Hebrew Masoretic Text of the Old Testament (Tanakh) in 383 AD. The New Jerusalem Bible is my favorite. It is a major departure in only three ways, all of which are noted in the article: 1) It follows the Vetus Latina rather than the Vulgate in Thobi and Iudith. a. Jews today believe that Shem is Melchizedek because the Masoretic chronology has Shem living down past the birth of Jacob. If not this is a point worth bringing out. He can't and couldn't canonize the bible. “Moreover, the same sacred and holy Synod,—considering that no small utility may accrue to the Church of God, if it be made known which out of all the Latin editions, now in circulation, of the sacred books, is to be held as authentic,—ordains and declares, that the said old and vulgate edition, which, by the lengthened usage … I mean, I don't care how it was translated, into Latin or Greek - read the Hebrew, according to that version, surely it's relatively clear whether he lived or died... (not a comment on this article, as if it needed changing or anything, just a comment in general), "...the elegant Ciceronian Latin of which Jerome was a master." When Jerome was creating the Latin Vulgate in the late 300’s, St. Augustine warned him to use the Septuagint, as it was the version of Scripture that Jesus and the Apostles used. The Nova Vulgata's revisions are not of this kind, but (by intentional policy) in every single case (except for passages where the Vetus Latina is followed, which is another issue) are further departures from the reading of any known or knowable Latin original. But Jerome ignored Augustine and used the newer Hebrew sources instead, only referring to the Septuagint when necessary to resolve difficulties from Hebrew into Latin. The contributors danced around the question but didn't clearly answer it or say that the answer is unknown. The Nova Vulgata is written in Latin, but it is not an attempt to reconstruct any old Latin text. The Vulgate was based on the (pre-Masoretic) Hebrew text, the LXX, and the Old Latin Version. There is obviously a larger disagreement here, in that you believe that the Nova Vulgata is an edition of Jerome's Vulgate in any of its books ("a minor revision of 70 of the 76 books of the Clementine vulgate... a major departure in only three ways"). 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